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Post by Chris W on Sept 2, 2015 2:45:46 GMT -7
I know I'm not the only one on the forum that uses Tite Grip.
1) Do you wash it off prior to your climbing or training session?
I've noticed that, if my hands get wet for any reason, the tite grip residue feels slimy and slippery. I have visions of slapping for a wet hold or sweat seeping through and zipping right off the climb.
Currently, I try to put it on at least 30 minutes prior to climbing and rinse off any residue with cold water before I start.
2) Am I actually rinsing off the tite grip goodness and minimizing the effect of the product?
I've yet to contact the manufacturer with these questions...
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Post by rob on Sept 2, 2015 7:49:25 GMT -7
I can't answer your questions sorry as I'd never heard of it until this post, but I have heard of people using similar products, which usually are difficult to get hold of in the UK, but after a quick bit of research Tite Grip seems readily available here... Anyway, is it any good?
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Post by MarkAnderson on Sept 2, 2015 9:18:39 GMT -7
Lamont (slim) has the answers you seek.
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Post by slimshaky on Sept 2, 2015 12:05:23 GMT -7
i don't wash it off prior to climbing. although, that being said, i have never tried doing that so i don't really have an idea of how it would work. hmm, you have me curious!
i put it on before i start my workout or day of climbing. i also use liquid chalk intermittently during my warmup bouldering, and before several of my hangboard grips/campusing/route climbing. i find that the liquid chalk not only dries and chalks your hand, but it seems like it makes the skin a bit more pliable so that it has more 'bite', particularly on plastic.
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Post by Chris W on Sept 2, 2015 17:32:25 GMT -7
I can't answer your questions sorry as I'd never heard of it until this post, but I have heard of people using similar products, which usually are difficult to get hold of in the UK, but after a quick bit of research Tite Grip seems readily available here... Anyway, is it any good? I like it. Apparently, it's very popular in the pole dancing community as well.
I tried liquid chalk around the same time I tried tite grip. A post on DPM by Mike Williams got me interested in it. I felt like the tite grip worked better than the liquid chalk.
I suppose I haven't tried it without washing it off. Maybe I'll give that a go in the next few days.
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Post by joshvillen on Sept 3, 2015 6:35:17 GMT -7
Sounds like aid to me hahaha
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Post by Chris W on Sept 3, 2015 17:38:32 GMT -7
I have to take all the help I can get.
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Post by cirquebound on Mar 31, 2016 7:06:31 GMT -7
Tite Grip as I understand it, utilizes all the active ingredients that your antiperspirant uses. On their webpage, all the active ingredients are posted "Water, Isopropyl Alcohol, Aluminum Chlorohydrate, Hydrated Silica, Talc, Hydropropyl Methylcellulose, Kaolin, Mentha Viridis (Spearmint) Leaf Oil, Titanium Dioxide, Sodium Hydroxide, Trisodium EDTA, Phenoxyethanol (and) Methylparaben (and) Ethylparaben (and) Butylparaben (and) Propylparaben (and) Isobutylparaben, Potassium Sorbate, Red 40 (Cl 16035), Yellow 5 (Cl 19140)" I have looked into it, and thought it would suffice to putting on OldSpice (and I mean you might smell better too!) haha! The largest active ingredient being Iso-Alcohol and Aluminum Chlorohydrate. So maybe its more like liquid chalk and OldSpice??? It would seem that if you are going to the next level in moisture control (again not recommended, but it does work --> and might make you sterile ) is antihydral. Its not FDA approved and active ingredients are formaldehyde a documented carcinogen (MSDS - Material Safety Data Sheet). A good laugh from evening sends eveningsends.com/review-antihydral/Best of luck
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Post by jcm on Mar 31, 2016 9:06:58 GMT -7
It would seem that if you are going to the next level in moisture control (again not recommended, but it does work --> and might make you sterile ) is antihydral. Its not FDA approved and active ingredients are formaldehyde a documented carcinogen (MSDS - Material Safety Data Sheet). Iontophoresis is a much better option than antihydral, but is still almost entirely unknown among climbers. It is mainly used as a treatment for hyperhidrosis, but can be used in lower doses to dry skin for climbing. It involves two metal bowls filled with water, a small pinch of salt in each, some wires, and a 12 volt lantern battery. Wire up the system, put one hand in each bowl, and sit for ~10 minutes. Intensity is controlled by how much salt you add; a tiny bit is plenty. It should tingle slightly. Repeat 1-2 times per week. I've experimented with this extensively this winter, and have been blown away by it. It is to skin maintenance what hangboarding is to finger strength. My hands are dry, and my skin is callused and tough in a way I was previously unable to achieve (especially given the wet PNW winter climate). I have experienced no notable downsides, so long as I don't overdo it. It is safer and more effective than antihydral, and is worlds more effective than tite grip, liquid chalk, etc. Basically, it is witchcraft. I'll write a more detailed report sometime later when I have more time.
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Post by cirquebound on Mar 31, 2016 11:05:03 GMT -7
I'll write a more detailed report sometime later when I have more time. Hmm, did a little poking around on the topic. Looking forward to hearing more on it. Lol 12V battery!
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Post by MarkAnderson on Apr 3, 2016 8:41:16 GMT -7
Iontophoresis is a much better option than antihydral, but is still almost entirely unknown among climbers. It is mainly used as a treatment for hyperhidrosis, but can be used in lower doses to dry skin for climbing. It involves two metal bowls filled with water, a small pinch of salt in each, some wires, and a 12 volt lantern battery. Wire up the system, put one hand in each bowl, and sit for ~10 minutes. Intensity is controlled by how much salt you add; a tiny bit is plenty. It should tingle slightly. Repeat 1-2 times per week. I've experimented with this extensively this winter, and have been blown away by it. It is to skin maintenance what hangboarding is to finger strength. My hands are dry, and my skin is callused and tough in a way I was previously unable to achieve (especially given the wet PNW winter climate). I have experienced no notable downsides, so long as I don't overdo it. It is safer and more effective than antihydral, and is worlds more effective than tite grip, liquid chalk, etc. Basically, it is witchcraft. I'll write a more detailed report sometime later when I have more time. My first thought was...early April Fool's joke? But after doing some research it sounds legit, if not totally bizarre. I'm curious to hear about the long term effects. There are significant down sides to having skin that is too dry (hence my dislike of Antihydral). Personally I would be reluctant to try it at a time when I'm training for something really important, but I am interested in trying it some time, may be later this summer.
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Post by jcm on Apr 4, 2016 11:54:00 GMT -7
Yeah, its legit. I first heard about this from Chris Albers, retired physisict, mad scientist, and master of the dark arts. He had previously had issues with overly sweaty hands, and had very good results with this system. It took me several years to get around to trying it myself. In Colorado (dry air) I could maintain pretty good skin through normal practices, but after moving to Seattle skin has been a bigger issue. The constant moisture tends to soften calluses, but the local climbing (granite) demands durable skin. This led me to experiment with other methods...
I tried anithydral, but disliked it for several reasons. It makes you skin dry and hard, but in kind of an unnatural feeling and dead sort of way. It tended to make my skin overthickened and too hard/glassy. As you mention, excessively dry skin comes with risks; lots of risk of splits with anithydral. Plus, it is just nasty, toxic stuff.
Iontophoresis seems to produce more natural-feeling dry skin. Essentially, it gives someone with naturally soft/moist skin the ability to adjust their skin to be more like someone with naturally dry skin. My skin with iontophoresis does not have the thick, dead feeling that antihydral gives it. Instead, it feels tough but pliable, and does not get sweaty/clammy. It does seem to perform better on smaller holds, in terms of both grip and durability, and it holds chalk better.
It is possible to overdo iontophoresis, and with this comes the possibilities of the risks/downsides of overly dry skin. If you were to nuke your skin with 4 treatments per week for a month, you would have overly dry skin and get split tips. This would be especially true for those with naturally dry skin and/or for those living in dry climates. Fortunately, you can easily optimize the level of skin dryness by adjusting the frequency of sessions. The effect of a single session is relatively minor; you aren’t going to over-dry your skin by accident in one session. It is the cumulative effects of numerous treatments that dry your skin, which gives you plenty of time to assess whether you need to do less or more. Also, the effects are relatively short-lived; they will fade away in few weeks if you don’t maintain them. If you skin starts to feel too dry, you can just skip a few treatments for 1-2 weeks to let the effects fade. When I stopped for 3 weeks the effects went away entirely. I don’t know if there are side effects in the long term (i.e over many years of use), but I haven’t heard about any in research. I haven’t noticed any undesirable short-term side effects, except for possible over-drying if you do too many treatments.
I overdid the treatments at one point in late February (due to a combination of overenthusiasm and self-experimentation) and started to get a proto-split in one finger. This is also possibly more attributable to doing some very repetitive PE on non-ideal, skin-unfriendly holds. My fault there. In any case, I applied some Climb-On for a few nights, dialed back the frequency of treatments, and moved my PE training to more ergonomic holds. The proto-split cleared up within a week and did not impact my training. Lesson: any risk of over-drying is easily managed.
A good program for someone wanting to dry out their skin is to start by doing 3 treatments in the first week, to get things going. Then continue with 2 treatments per week for a few more weeks until the optimum level of dryness is reached. I had noticeable effects at 2 weeks, and reached a pretty optimum level of dryness at 3 weeks. Once you have reached a good level of dryness, drop down to treatments ~1 time per week to maintain. Adjust frequency as needed to maintain and optimize.
Overall, I have found intophoresis to be very effective for me, but it is definitely not for everyone. Think of it as a corrective measure to dry out moist skin. If you already have dry skin, stay away. There is an optimum level of skin moisture, and you need to know which side of this optimum level you are on and take steps to move in that direction. If you have skin that is too moist, I think that intophoresis is the best solution, and is quite safe so long as you are reasonably cautious.
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Post by slimshaky on Apr 4, 2016 13:45:14 GMT -7
Iontophoresis is a much better option than antihydral, but is still almost entirely unknown among climbers. It is mainly used as a treatment for hyperhidrosis, but can be used in lower doses to dry skin for climbing. It involves two metal bowls filled with water, a small pinch of salt in each, some wires, and a 12 volt lantern battery. Wire up the system, put one hand in each bowl, and sit for ~10 minutes. Intensity is controlled by how much salt you add; a tiny bit is plenty. It should tingle slightly. Repeat 1-2 times per week. I've experimented with this extensively this winter, and have been blown away by it. It is to skin maintenance what hangboarding is to finger strength. My hands are dry, and my skin is callused and tough in a way I was previously unable to achieve (especially given the wet PNW winter climate). I have experienced no notable downsides, so long as I don't overdo it. It is safer and more effective than antihydral, and is worlds more effective than tite grip, liquid chalk, etc. Basically, it is witchcraft. I'll write a more detailed report sometime later when I have more time. My first thought was...early April Fool's joke? But after doing some research it sounds legit, if not totally bizarre. I'm curious to hear about the long term effects. There are significant down sides to having skin that is too dry (hence my dislike of Antihydral). Personally I would be reluctant to try it at a time when I'm training for something really important, but I am interested in trying it some time, may be later this summer. ha ha, i thought i had told you about iontophoresis before(?). several, maybe 5, years ago i ran into this idea on the net. i bought a 30v power supply that is used for electronics testing and used it for about a year, but my wife was afraid i was going to kill myself with it. I had the current limit set pretty much at the lowest level. It was pretty rough - when you put your hands in or took them out you got a pretty solid taste of it (as electricians like to say... ). it worked pretty awesome though, no joke. i really noticed it a lot at the gym, where the 90 degree temperatures and stifling atmosphere make my hands sweat like there is no tomorrow. also during summertime after work sessions. after much pleading by saint sarah i threw down the $500 or so to buy a real one. it is a lot more pleasant to use. it waits until you put your hands/feet in, and then slowly ramps up the voltage. midway through the session it ramps it down and reverses the direction of the current, and then at the end it ramps it down to zero. for the most part it isn't too bad, but it can be a little itchy. if you have any cuts, trashed cuticles, etc, it burns like a mofo - so this is something to keep track of. i usually watch tv (sports, whatever) while i am using it. usually about 30 minutes for hands, 30 minutes for feet. this last year i haven't been consistently using it, but i will probably get back on the program when things settle down a bit. one of the things i liked - the time being immersed in water seems to help offset the increased dryness of your hands. so, they get tough and dry but not hard and glassy. this was a deal breaker with antihydral for me, it made my skin very slick. this could be beneficial during sending season on sharp rock, but it was awful during hangboard season.
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Post by jcm on Apr 4, 2016 14:46:47 GMT -7
30 volts...yikes. Even the 12 volts lantern battery can be a bit intense. That said, adjusting the intensity seems to be pretty easy, by changing the amount of electrolyte (salt) added.
Since you've been on the iontophoresis program for 5 years, how has it worked out on this time scale? Any long-term issues that are not evident at first?
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Post by jcm on Apr 4, 2016 14:59:47 GMT -7
"one of the things i liked - the time being immersed in water seems to help offset the increased dryness of your hands. so, they get tough and dry but not hard and glassy. this was a deal breaker with antihydral for me, it made my skin very slick. this could be beneficial during sending season on sharp rock, but it was awful during hangboard season."
I have had the same experience with both the iontophoresis and antihydral.
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