Sander
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Post by Sander on Sept 30, 2015 4:11:20 GMT -7
It is written in the holy book that application of complex training to finger strength failed to produce better results than the 'regular' approach. It's effectiveness is proven and well documented though for bigger muscles groups. So I wonder how applicable the concept is to the supplemental exercises, especially since we climbers are not really concerned with putting on extra muscles mass, but rather squeezing every little bit of performance out of the muscle mass we have.
So during my strength phase I've been doing resistance exercises for most muscles in my core, shoulders and arms. Now that I've entered the power phase, I've shifted to a set of complexes targeting the same muscles. I haven't completed enough trainings yet to say anything meaningful about the results, but I'm curious whether others have tried something similar already and how it worked for them… Anyone?
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Post by MarkAnderson on Sept 30, 2015 8:36:48 GMT -7
I've never tried any regimented complex SEs. However, the way I train during my Power Phase is to WBL, LB, Campus, then finish with SEs. It's possible that approach my result in some incidental "complexity", since I'm basically doing a bunch of power work to maximize recruitment just before performing strength exercises.
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Sander
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Post by Sander on Sept 30, 2015 9:12:21 GMT -7
That would be the reverse - first power, then resistance - wouldn't it? Isn't the idea of complex training to activate the (glycolytic fast twitch) muscle fibers with a resistance exercise and then do the plyometric exercise to achieve maximal recruitment? I remember reading something about this reverse order as well though, if I recall correctly it was claimed to be highly effective for hypertrophy… Don't remember where I read it though, nor do I have scientific backup for it.
On a side note: I believe usually the exercise in a complex are done back-to-back with as little rest as possible in between.
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Post by MarkAnderson on Sept 30, 2015 13:17:03 GMT -7
Yes that's correct. Again I think you're probably doing that in a general sense if you are doing a WBL, then LB, then Campus. I have no idea how important it is to do the exercises back to back. I would think not very based on how climbers typically warm up for climbing.
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Post by slimshaky on Sept 30, 2015 18:23:44 GMT -7
this was something i was kind of curious about when reading the book. to me it didn't seem like the complex workouts were executed in a similar fashion to my understanding of how complex training is used (ie do the 4-6 'strength' reps and then immediately perform a couple 'power' reps) then rest and repeat the 2 step process. when i was reading into some of the complex training research, it seemed like this was really the fundamantal thing - to do them back to back.
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Post by MarkAnderson on Sept 30, 2015 19:22:44 GMT -7
I know Mike has done them that way (back to back).
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Post by Lundy on Sept 30, 2015 19:33:07 GMT -7
I know Mike has done them that way (back to back). Ah -- good. We'll just wait for him to jump in then.  |
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