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Post by joev9 on May 29, 2015 7:53:25 GMT -7
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Post by jessebruni on May 29, 2015 9:04:18 GMT -7
The only supplement I use is called "being young and indestructible". I'll leave the juicing to the old folks.
heh heh...juicing...
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Post by joev9 on May 29, 2015 9:27:09 GMT -7
Apparently, Viagra boosts Nitric Oxide so beet juice supplementation may have some other "benefits" for us old guys...
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Post by slimshaky on May 29, 2015 15:28:37 GMT -7
ha ha, have you actually ever drank beet juice? uggghhh ...
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Post by climber511 on May 30, 2015 6:48:46 GMT -7
Just some information if you do try beet juice. It will turn your pee red and scare the heck out of you.
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Post by wellhung on May 31, 2015 2:39:33 GMT -7
Apparently, Viagra boosts Nitric Oxide so beet juice supplementation may have some other "benefits" for us old guys... I've also heard that Viagra helps you climb harder. Barely more seriously, some of the guys on ukbouldering.com claim to have done the beet juice thing.
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Post by rob on May 31, 2015 6:07:59 GMT -7
I've just started to experiment with this. I think the research evidence is pretty compelling, though not conclusive. However, looking at some of the studies that have not found positive results they have given only an tiny amount nitrate in the form of a very small drink of beetroot juice - from a brief review of the literature you need >500mg of nitrate a day (varies according to BW) to have a good effect (which is only 150-200ml of beet juice depending on brand). Also, ive read it has to be beetroot juice, not just blended cooked beetroots, in order to have the same effect (something to do with the way the juice is processed).
I haven't had a workout since drinking the stuff yet though so will update you in a week or so with my findings. Almost definitely a placebo effect, but last night after my first few drinks of the stuff I really felt like my forearms were almost "rushing" with blood.
The taste isn't that bad, I bought an organic brand from Asda (Wall Mart to you Americans)which is 90% beetroot and 10% organic apple juice - was reasonably cheap.
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Post by rob on Jun 1, 2015 8:05:07 GMT -7
from a brief review of the literature you need >500mg of nitrate a day (varies according to BW) to have a good effect (which is only 150-200ml of beet juice depending on brand). Sorry thats way off! Around 600-700ml
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Post by joev9 on Jun 1, 2015 10:47:54 GMT -7
I ate some beets last night but I'm thinking of giving the Beet-It Shots a try.
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Post by rob on Jun 1, 2015 11:28:58 GMT -7
I ate some beets last night but I'm thinking of giving the Beet-It Shots a try. Yeah I think they have a pretty high nitrate content, but worth checking the amount and comparing this with evidenced recommendations. As I mentioned, apparently just eating cooked beets doesn't have the same effect, not sure why considering beet juice is just juiced cooked beets! Nonetheless they are loaded with health benefits aside from the proposed nitrate related performance/ recovery enhancements, so definitely a good addition to a climbers diet I guess.
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Post by willblack on Jun 1, 2015 17:01:34 GMT -7
Never tried beet juice, but I'm a big fan of beet puns. I get up early so I can beet the traffic and get to the gym early. That way I can work out for three hours and feel totally beet when I'm done.
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Post by Chris W on Jun 1, 2015 20:20:01 GMT -7
There are so many things wrong with this in so many ways that I'm not sure where I would start. Suffice to say that I don't believe either beets or nitric oxide supplements would benefit climbing in any way. Having said that, I don't believe it would be harmful.
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Post by joev9 on Jun 2, 2015 6:03:50 GMT -7
Chris W, I actually first heard of the beet juice thing in an interview with Ethan Pringle who just did the 2nd ascent of Jumbo Love. He seems to swear by the stuff for climbing. Now, I'm not a big fan of doing what the pros do just because they do it, but there is lots of info the internets about beet juice/nitric oxide helping weight lifters. If it was just an endure thing, I wouldn't be considering it, but the weight lifting community seems to swear by the beets/nitric and creatine...
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Post by rob on Jun 2, 2015 15:14:00 GMT -7
There are so many things wrong with this in so many ways that I'm not sure where I would start. I don't see anything wrong with using 100% natural ingredients to support your health, training and recovery. My diet is very important to me, and just as I have researched certain foods and made them staples in my diet (e.g. broccoli, almonds, spinach, eggs) because of their known "super" health benefits and positive impact upon training and recovery, I will try out beet juice and see its impact. Given the anecdotal and research evidence (see below for a sample) I would feel ignorant if I did not try. jap.physiology.org/content/107/4/1144www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0891584909007199link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00421-013-2589-8www.researchgate.net/publication/248705225_A_Single_Dose_of_Beetroot_Juice_Enhances_Cycling_Performance_in_Simulated_Altitudelink.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00421-012-2397-6This is a very limit selection of the supportive research. Though, obviously, this is a biased sample of sources and there are a smaller number of studies that have not found positive results - but I can tell you that of the few studies I found the researchers have either used insufficient quantities or measured exercise performance only 1 hour after ingestion, when it has been suggested that it takes 3-4 hours for the nitrate to have full effect. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that we should be welcoming new and natural ways to enhance performance, and sharing when we do!
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Post by MarkAnderson on Jun 2, 2015 20:57:06 GMT -7
we should be welcoming new and natural ways to enhance performance, and sharing when we do! +1!
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