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Post by Chris W on Dec 28, 2018 19:26:02 GMT -7
I see. 30 percent sounds about right.
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Post by asdfgh on Dec 29, 2018 18:53:34 GMT -7
And that climbing is stereotypically an upper middle class white sport as well. And inconvenient and expensive. The demographics certainly suggest that we aren't anywhere close to the limit of human performance. Kind of like skiing.
It's kind of interesting to watch how different demographics move through sports through time. Kind of a good way of judging who is "making it" in the US. Like how white people don't box anymore.
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Post by MarkAnderson on Dec 30, 2018 12:55:40 GMT -7
I was thinking about this more, specifically about how do I make the same point without dragging race into the discussion.
Consider this: How many people on the planet have had the opportunity to be identified as "talented at climbing"? The current world population is ~7.7 billion, so if we can agree the above number is less than 77 million, then less than 1% of the world's population has had that opportunity, and so (simplistically speaking) there is less than a 1% chance Ondra (or any other current climber) is the most talented-at-climbing person on earth.
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Post by jetjackson on Dec 30, 2018 18:34:13 GMT -7
I just finished reading the book. I have to say that it was overall much less insightful than reading The Push. It provided historical context and I agree that is was basically a bit of a play by play, with the opinion of the author thrown in. This is probably a limitation of a biography over an auto-biography. I’m not sure how much of a part Ben Moon played in hang the book written, but it didn’t seem to me that he was providing the biographer with much insight into his thinking. Perhaps that is just in Ben’s personality. Perhaps we started with an auto-biography that was VERY transparent, and this, in contrast, didn’t provide that level of detail into the climbers life. If it’s taught me anything for my podcast, it’s that chronological breakdowns of ascents and progress are very boring. I really want to here more about the Why and the How, in these books, where here I just felt we got a lot of the What.
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