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Post by jetjackson on Jun 12, 2017 5:08:37 GMT -7
What kind of weights are people doing on this thing?
I took half my bodyweight off the other night and I was still slipping off the thing. It seems incomprehensible to me... heinous!
Loving the crimp on the forge though! Going to have to switch it back to the RPTC though - eventually will put together the floating system so that I can use both in the same session.
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Post by jonfrisby on Jun 12, 2017 7:35:21 GMT -7
I don't know whether there's a lot of value in training finger slopers. I think you get the same strength benefit on open grip without losing as much skin or having friction/conditions play such a large role in your success. I do think training wrist flexion on something like what tedwelser built is useful |
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Post by Chris W on Jun 12, 2017 20:02:34 GMT -7
I tried the Forge Sloper a couple of hangboard seasons ago. I took off (just a little less than) half my body weight and had the same results; couldn't fathom sticking onto the thing.
As for the mount, I've done quite well with the french cleat design. I switch back and forth between the Forge and the RPTC in my workouts.
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Post by tedwelser on Jun 13, 2017 10:35:28 GMT -7
How do your sloper numbers compare to your other grips?
I don't find the sloper that hard to use compared to the other grips on the Forge. I am not sure why. It might be a symptom of deep hand training for RRG jugs.
Last fall I finished my final set at +30 on the forge sloper. This spring I only finished at +20, but that had more to do with the fact that I was not bothering to set up the kill room for the air conditioner.
Forge holds, spring 2017, HB10, final session, or best complete final set:
Warm up:
Openhand, square edge: +50, +70
1. VDER: +30, +40 (humidity crutch: with thumb on side of board for stability)
2. Slimper: -20, -10
3. SVDER: -20, -10 (humidity crutch: with thumb on side of crimp catch for stability)
4. Crimp: -20, -10
5. Sloper: +10, +20
6. Pinch: -25, -15
I was using a semi crimp on the VDER and SVDER, so I think the fact that the sloper falls partly between the two makes sense, since the smallest edge of the vder is rather shallow, and deep end is solid single pad. The sloper seems between those two in terms of security and capacity to hold it.
I feel as though the use of the sloper combines an open hand strength with a lot of wrist flexion in terms of keeping the most optimal shape. During my later season sets I find that I can keep optimal shape for the first several reps, but on the last rep or two I will be sliding and finally catching a bit near the lip and holding on for the last second. However, when I am early in the season or otherwise feeling strong on the hold I simply imagine that I am pressing the whole bottom surface of my fingers straight down into the friction of the hold, and my forearm/hand/fingers is acting like a ice ax or something, it is just a rigid object that I am yarding on. This is in sharp contrast to other holds where I am exerting effort at the finger tips or last pad, here I am pressing more with the third pad, then a bit less with the second and first pad.
I find the pinch to be about 35 pounds (20% body weight) more difficult than the sloper. For instance, it was a big deal to me when I hung the pinch with bodyweight for 8+ seconds for the first time this spring, while hanging the sloper with body weight seems normal.
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Post by Chris W on Jun 13, 2017 19:49:47 GMT -7
That's pretty interesting. I'm stronger than you on a lot of those grips, but can't even come close with the Forge sloper. I wonder if it's technique. I don't find the RPTC sloper to be very challenging, but I'm training it anyway.
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Post by tedwelser on Jun 13, 2017 21:19:00 GMT -7
That's pretty interesting. I'm stronger than you on a lot of those grips, but can't even come close with the Forge sloper. I wonder if it's technique. I don't find the RPTC sloper to be very challenging, but I'm training it anyway. Yeah- I guessed that you might be stronger on the other grips than I am. Based on your spring success we have been climbing similar grades; doing some 11d-12b in a couple tries at the New/Red. It might boil down to little more than a slight preferences for types of holds/routes at the crag as the main difference. Also, I am not sure if the sloper strength actually comes from HB on the sloper or instead from using the maxi pull occasionally and hanging more from open hand jugs at the red. The Forge sloper might just be a place to use the strength gained elsewhere. That said, it feels different enough from the other Forge grips to suggest to me that I am flexing additional muscles or the same muscles in ways that I am not otherwise using in my HB workout, which may make it worthwhile. |
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Post by tetrault on Jun 14, 2017 17:06:25 GMT -7
For the record, to make sure everyone is on the same page, a reminder that the Forge has (2) slopers, a 30 deg and a 40 deg: Forge pic |
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Post by Chris W on Jun 14, 2017 19:44:42 GMT -7
The picture wouldn't show up for me
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Post by jetjackson on Jun 15, 2017 6:37:03 GMT -7
Seems this discussion has happened before - I'm really bad at searching this site - i.e. I can never get the search function to work well. rockprodigytraining.proboards.com/thread/1138/forge-sloper I never used to train the sloper, until I read Ted's link that you posted - that's actually what got me into training slopers and I honestly feel that it trains a different muscle in my forearm. It's also a nice way to stretch out the hand and apply some pressure that feels good after doing the crimp grip. I will eventually, get around to doing the PVC skateboard grip holds, but got to get my hangboard fully set up first. |
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Post by jetjackson on Jul 11, 2017 4:06:00 GMT -7
For the record here, I used my iphone the other day to check the level on my forge sloper (using a digital protractor app) and it was showing 45 degrees on the forge - perhaps I've mounted it on an angle and that's why I'm finding it so tough.
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Post by jetjackson on Nov 27, 2017 15:16:19 GMT -7
So I've recently moved, and I've mounted the forge again. I had a quick go on the sloper and was able to do about 4 reps on it on bodyweight - this is compared to finding it near impossible to get on it when I started this thread.
I measured the angle using the same iPhone app - 40 degrees, compared to 45 when it was mounted on my previous board. Seems I must have just had it mounted on an angle originally.
On the flip side, turns out I've been training slopey crimp for the past 2 cycles.
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