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Post by Elvis K on Nov 9, 2015 7:31:08 GMT -7
So, I started my first cycle on the new hangboard and I wanted to hear some opinion/thoughts on the new setup.
I know the hb is suppose to be more advanced than the other one, but I have noticed huge gains from my previous cycle on the original hb. I have improved on every grip except for MR shallow. This is the only hold where I felt was very difficult to say the least.
So, those that have used the Forge, what are your thoughts on it?
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Post by Axel on Dec 15, 2015 20:09:15 GMT -7
Hello Elvis, I have just received my Forge today so I could do my first session! Man the pinches are really hard to hold!! My new sending weight is 169 lbs for 6ft and i had to start by removing 45 lbs with the pulley system to do my 7 reps with the medium pinch... The closed crimp is great. I started with a -25lbs... The slope is great too. I had no slope on my other hangboard so I am looking forward to see how I will progress. Th semi closed crimp on the top is kind of new for me so I will go easy with it for couple of weeks. I hang on it with -25 lbs... What about you? Are you working in the same range of loads? I would be very curious to see what weight other members are putting/removing with the medium pinch...  |
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Post by jwill on Dec 21, 2015 20:13:36 GMT -7
I like the board a lot, from aesthetics and playing around on the grips. I'm just starting a strength cycle in advance of a trip to Hueco in Jan/Feb, and am including the closed crimp in my circuit.
Although I consider myself a relatively strong crimper up to the V8/9 range (my only V10, ie is stained glass), I was surprised at how difficult the closed crimp is after the first couple hangs in a single cycle.
A question for anyone who's trainer repeaters on a small edge like this-- how hard to you work to engage or muscle/crimp into a hold of this size? I find that when I fatigue I tend to more "hang on" and I become more extended at the DIP joint, but I can still hang on. Are these hangs as advantageous as the ones that are done with more strength?
I suppose the same question could be posed about 1-pad 2 finger pockets. Are the last couple, where your hand is opening up and you're barely hanging on, providing as much advantage as your hand position changes with fatigue?
Anyone have any experience or thoughts with this?
Thanks, JWill
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Post by Chris W on Dec 22, 2015 3:19:49 GMT -7
JWill, there's some discussion about that here: rockprodigytraining.proboards.com/thread/595/half-crimp-hard-progress?page=2I struggle with this. If I'm being honest with myself, I try to maintain the desired grip position and consider opening past a certain point an incomplete rep/set. That's probably the main reason I switched my "half crimp" to the full crimp on the Forge. I feel like the thumb catch gives me an objective position marker for the grip. If my thumb slides off the catch, the set is incomplete or done. I consider all my other grips to be open hand though. For my IM and MR 2 finger pockets, if one finger comes off, the set is done. As long as two fingers are still in contact with the board, I consider it successful. |
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Post by alex on Dec 22, 2015 4:27:16 GMT -7
... A question for anyone who's trainer repeaters on a small edge like this-- how hard to you work to engage or muscle/crimp into a hold of this size? I find that when I fatigue I tend to more "hang on" and I become more extended at the DIP joint, but I can still hang on. Are these hangs as advantageous as the ones that are done with more strength? I suppose the same question could be posed about 1-pad 2 finger pockets. Are the last couple, where your hand is opening up and you're barely hanging on, providing as much advantage as your hand position changes with fatigue? ... A very good question. I experience the same. I didnt include a full crimp in my HB Sessions so far but i am currently using the 'MR shallow' for my RP,IM and MR (see and reply =) thread rockprodigytraining.proboards.com/thread/785/anatomy-rptc). From my understanding i would say that if your hands open up the difference of the angle between your former grip position and your current grip position decides. I remember reading that isometric strength gains do not transfer to other angles (from RCTM), just in a roughly 15° wide cone (from another book). One could argue that you waste energy if you hang on because your not training the original, desired position anymore. That said i must admit. I hang on =). I also see it as mental training. Of course we should be very careful especially with full crimp positions etc and i dont have much experience with HB training. Dont know if this is already considered as 'red-lining'. |
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Post by jwill on Dec 22, 2015 17:08:19 GMT -7
ChrisW,
Thanks for linking that prior thread. I've done a bit of scouting other threads but didn't remember that one.
I'm still curious what the fastest way to get strength is-- whether to go absolutely to the point of barely hanging on and suffering form, or dialing back the weight just enough to apply more power (I crimp as hard as I can even when the weight is not going to make me fail. I suspect the most experienced HBers may suggest that going to near failure is best, but I'm curious.
I've also played on the transgression board (doing one one month cycle) before, and noticed quick improvements in my ability to hang on a small edge (getting from 10mm to 7mm in four weeks, with real strength and control over the 8mm grip in that time point). I'll be interested to see how my ability to do repeaters will improve over the 7 sessions.
I'll post a follow up. Thanks for the replies. JW
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Post by Chris W on Dec 22, 2015 18:34:30 GMT -7
I'm not quite sure what the answer is either. I can say that I've had 2 separate occasions where I've "redlined" a hold [sacrificed form and done everything BEYOND the point of reason to stay on the board]. Each time I was extremely close to finishing the set and advancing the weight, and each time I regretted it. I got lucky and suffered only a minor tweak in my middle finger (once on the left and once on the right); not enough to derail my training or detract from any strength gains, but enough to let me know I went a little too far. For me, discretion is the better part of valor, and I have to keep my ego in check. I've only been hangboarding since spring 2014, so perhaps when I've [and my tendons] had more experience I'll be better able to judge. I'd be interested to hear what some of the more seasoned hangboard veterans have to say. |
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