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Post by Chris W on Nov 23, 2015 2:52:48 GMT -7
Can somebody tell me, if I can get one of the boards in europe. I was looking on the trango website but they don't seem to have dealers in europe. While I can't answer your question directly, I can say I've spoken with the Trango folks via telephone several times regarding orders and product details. They were very friendly and helpful and I'll bet they could get one sent to you somehow. |
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Post by Chris W on Dec 2, 2015 19:18:49 GMT -7
So I finished my fourth HB session of my winter season today. I'm using the crimp on the Forge with the thumb catch. I feel like I'm putting a lot of weight on my thumbs. Anyone else notice this? Is this the way it should be, or should the thumb simply be 'resting' on the hold?
This may simply be the way it feels, as opposed to the way it actually is. I've tried taking my thumb off the catch mid rep and can still maintain my finger positions, though it does feel a little harder...
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Post by MarkAnderson on Dec 2, 2015 19:38:35 GMT -7
I think the thumb catch is too deep and so does Mike. We debated this during the design phase, but I think we settled on the wrong depth. If you read this post, you'll see that Mike added shims over the thumb catch to reduce the depth. I've done the same thing and I would recommend it.  |
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Post by Chris W on Dec 3, 2015 5:50:17 GMT -7
I'll have to look at doing that for my Saturday session.
1) Do you purposefully try to NOT weigh the thumb?
2) Do you feel a lot of strain on this grip in your index finger?
It's my first time training a crimp and I definitely feel a large part of the load in my index fingers. I believe this is due to the joint angle at the DIP, since this is a novel position. The angle of the R and P fingers is closer to that used on other grips. I thought about rotating the hangboard to drop the pinkie side down, but I think this will place more weight on the thumbs. |
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Post by tedwelser on Dec 3, 2015 13:23:57 GMT -7
1. I'm sorry to hear about that; I wish I had more influence but oddly it seems the more successful "my" products are, the less my input is desired. Anyway, I'm going to pretend this was a rhetorical question and move to #2. 2. Great question. When I got my Forge I switched 5 of 6 grips immediately...and then immediately regretted it. I ultimately settled on switching 3 of 6 grips the first cycle (with the intent to switch 2 more during my next cycle--the 6th I don't have any plans to change). My thinking was this: at this point much of my motivation while hangboarding is rooted in the desire to destroy my previous PRs. By switching every grip at once, I had no PRs to destroy, and that was demotivating. By switching a sub-set, I still had some PRs to keep me motivated during the first cycle, and next cycle I will have new (Forge-based) PRs to go after. YMMV 3. I have no idea, but your proposal sounds about right? I like the idea of crushing personal records, but I ended up switching all grips to the Forge, mainly due to the fact that my Forge is set up better. French cleat plus higher off the ground makes it much nicer to use. So, I will just have to be a bit patient with the PR's. I ran into a problem switching my IMR to the Forge because (apparently) my finger geometry. When I try to seat my fingers fully in the IMR it places the first bend of my fingers outside the grip, and the posture of my fingers holds addional bend in the second joint where I was getting a tweaked feeling in my index fingers. So, I stopped IMR for a workout, and went back to the RPTC. The tweaky feeling went away and I got back on track with the IMR. I dunno exactly, but the problem seemed to come from the degree to which the IMR is both shallow and positive. I think if it had much steeper draft it would be ok for me, or if I simply hang the lip of it with my finger tips (which would be very difficult). But I was looking for a solid three finger drag training grip, so the RPTC is still perfect for that. A question I had about the variable depth of the IMR is- why is the middle finger slot not the deepest? My middle is longer than the ring, so the ring never reaches the full depth of the R slot. In related news I pondered the possibility of drilling out the back of the M slot in hopes that would allow my fingers to get deep enough to avoid the tweaky feeling, but I hesitate do so for risk of marring the gripping surface with the drill. Another solution would be to include some sort of board tilt modification, but combining that with the cleat I have is beyond my carpentry skills. |
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Post by MarkAnderson on Dec 3, 2015 20:52:25 GMT -7
1) Do you purposefully try to NOT weigh the thumb?
2) Do you feel a lot of strain on this grip in your index finger?
1) No, I weight the thumb, I just don't press the thumb into the index finger like I would on a real limit crimp outside. 2) I feel a normal amount of strain  But, I've been doing it for a while. I can see how it would feel foreign at first. Be careful with your dip joints on this grip--this goes for everybody. When full-on closed crimping, most people's DIP joints will hyper-extend, which is not particularly healthy. Pay attention to this and try not to over do it. |
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Post by MarkAnderson on Dec 3, 2015 21:00:08 GMT -7
1. I'm sorry to hear about that; I wish I had more influence but oddly it seems the more successful "my" products are, the less my input is desired. Anyway, I'm going to pretend this was a rhetorical question and move to #2. 2. Great question. When I got my Forge I switched 5 of 6 grips immediately...and then immediately regretted it. I ultimately settled on switching 3 of 6 grips the first cycle (with the intent to switch 2 more during my next cycle--the 6th I don't have any plans to change). My thinking was this: at this point much of my motivation while hangboarding is rooted in the desire to destroy my previous PRs. By switching every grip at once, I had no PRs to destroy, and that was demotivating. By switching a sub-set, I still had some PRs to keep me motivated during the first cycle, and next cycle I will have new (Forge-based) PRs to go after. YMMV 3. I have no idea, but your proposal sounds about right? I ran into a problem switching my IMR to the Forge because (apparently) my finger geometry. When I try to seat my fingers fully in the IMR it places the first bend of my fingers outside the grip, and the posture of my fingers holds addional bend in the second joint where I was getting a tweaked feeling in my index fingers. So, I stopped IMR for a workout, and went back to the RPTC. The tweaky feeling went away and I got back on track with the IMR. I dunno exactly, but the problem seemed to come from the degree to which the IMR is both shallow and positive. I think if it had much steeper draft it would be ok for me, or if I simply hang the lip of it with my finger tips (which would be very difficult). But I was looking for a solid three finger drag training grip, so the RPTC is still perfect for that. A question I had about the variable depth of the IMR is- why is the middle finger slot not the deepest? My middle is longer than the ring, so the ring never reaches the full depth of the R slot. In related news I pondered the possibility of drilling out the back of the M slot in hopes that would allow my fingers to get deep enough to avoid the tweaky feeling, but I hesitate do so for risk of marring the gripping surface with the drill. Another solution would be to include some sort of board tilt modification, but combining that with the cleat I have is beyond my carpentry skills. That grip has been an acquired taste for me. The draft causes the pockets to taper (in diameter) as you approach the back of the hold, which makes them feel better or worse at different depths (depending on your finger size). I had to do a lot of post-production tinkering to get a mono that I liked out of that pocket. But, now I like it a lot, and I've been using the inner two slots for my IM grip and I like it much better than what I was using on the RPTC. It took some getting used to though. The reason the depths are the way they are is so the pocket can be used as a shallower IM (using the inner two slots) or a deeper IM (using the outer two slots). The 3 finger pocket on the RPTC uses the same concept. |
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Post by Chris W on Dec 3, 2015 21:23:48 GMT -7
Mark, thanks for the information. NOT injuring myself on this grip is one of my primary training objectives for the winter season. It's definitely a different sensation in my joints, but so far not a bad one. I started as light as I reasonably could, with -70 for 7 reps on my HB 1 workout.
Ted, have you tried switching the halves of the hangboard around? The ring finger often extends farther into the palm when fully flexed than the middle. "Jersey Finger" often occurs in the ring finger for this reason. If I had decided to stick with my MRP for this season, I would have switched the left and right half of the RPTC because the depth felt more natural that way. Either that or I was going to use the VDER for the 3 finger grip.
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Post by MarkAnderson on Dec 4, 2015 14:44:32 GMT -7
Not to be confused with [New] Jersey Finger--when your bookie's enforcer smashes your fingers with a hammer because you failed to pay up. |
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Post by jdb on Dec 8, 2015 6:19:57 GMT -7
Can somebody tell me, if I can get one of the boards in europe. I was looking on the trango website but they don't seem to have dealers in europe. I got my RPTC shipped to England via Moosejaw, so that might be an option. They were very helpful although postage was obviously pretty high. I think that there are some dealers in Europe who import Trango products, although when I checked the one in England was not selling the fingerboards. |
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Post by Elvis K on Dec 9, 2015 6:59:10 GMT -7
I switched to using only the forge last cycle and I noticed that there was a huge discrepancy between MR shallow and IM shallow. I did far better on IM. Did anyone else experience this?
The numbers were usually about the same on the original HB.
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Post by MarkAnderson on Dec 10, 2015 17:48:12 GMT -7
I switched to using only the forge last cycle and I noticed that there was a huge discrepancy between MR shallow and IM shallow. I did far better on IM. Did anyone else experience this? The numbers were usually about the same on the original HB. I haven't noticed that, but I think it has a lot to do with how strong you happen to be with those two grips. For example, last workout I did -10, 0, +10 on the MR, and -20, -10, 0 on IM (using the smallest of each). I have noticed that the Forge MR is much bigger step up in difficulty than the Forge IM. |
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Post by carmen on Oct 22, 2016 18:14:02 GMT -7
what are the hold depths of the slopey crimp and DIP hold?
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Post by palo on Aug 1, 2017 15:15:00 GMT -7
Im looking to transition from the Simulator to a RP board. I've used the Simulator on and off for ~ 10 years with little complaint. Loved the sloppy smaller crimps on those boards, but always had a hard time with the depth. Especially the pockets. Anyhow, Im looking at getting either the TC or Forge. Id love to have both, but cannot justify it. Seeking advice from the community.
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Post by tedwelser on Aug 1, 2017 18:22:00 GMT -7
Im looking to transition from the Simulator to a RP board. I've used the Simulator on and off for ~ 10 years with little complaint. Loved the sloppy smaller crimps on those boards, but always had a hard time with the depth. Especially the pockets. Anyhow, Im looking at getting either the TC or Forge. Id love to have both, but cannot justify it. Seeking advice from the community. Hey palo- I have both but I would get the RPTC first. I think you can easily get 3 years of progress out of it before you feel compelled to buy the Forge as well. I still use both-- I like the geometry of the pockets on the RPTC better-- perhaps it is just a function of the depth relative to the lengths of my finger phlanges. I dunno. |
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But, I've been doing it for a while. I can see how it would feel foreign at first. Be careful with your dip joints on this grip--this goes for everybody. When full-on closed crimping, most people's DIP joints will hyper-extend, which is not particularly healthy. Pay attention to this and try not to over do it.
