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Post by jetjackson on Dec 13, 2018 21:59:36 GMT -7
Thanks heaps!
Questions numbered. I'll try and go through and update them to seem like I'm fawning a bit less. The tricky part for me is to lead him a little bit, but not too much, whilst at the same time explaining some things to an audience who may never have heard of Kim, but that would seem a bit harder for him to explain.
I think your re-wording of the biography question is awesome.
Also, great tips on the Olympics questions, and getting Australian crags to the forefront of world climbing again - that's actually a brilliant question.
Nuts are the go down here... subsequently I feel really nervous on cams, give me a good nut placement any day of the week!
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Post by MarkAnderson on Dec 14, 2018 14:36:18 GMT -7
Thanks heaps! I'll try and go through and update them to seem like I'm fawning a bit less. The tricky part for me is to lead him a little bit, but not too much, whilst at the same time explaining some things to an audience who may never have heard of Kim, but that would seem a bit harder for him to explain. I think you have to let go a little bit and accept that the interview may not go exactly where you want it to go. The good news is that if it’s more organic you’re more likely to end up on something unique. As far as educating your audience, I recommend you lead off the podcast with a few minutes of just running through Kim’s CV just before you introduce him. You can even record that without Kim (or, if you do it with Kim, you could turn it into a question by asking at the end if you missed anything that was really important to Kim). Also assuming there is a text description to go along with the podcast, you can hit some of his major accomplishments in there too.
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Post by Chris W on Dec 14, 2018 18:39:49 GMT -7
I like listening to stories. Sometimes a good "podcast" is less of an interview and more of the host inviting and guiding the guest in telling their (or any) story.
Not sure what you would do if the guest's subjective view is significantly different from the objective reality.
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Post by jetjackson on Dec 17, 2018 14:16:53 GMT -7
Thanks for the advice and for the question tips - I'm adopting that into my questions.
It's been an interesting 24 hours.
Yesterday morning I was trawling through instagram and found a post by a top Australian climber, that he and his wife are starting a - new to Australia - Rockclimbing podcast called Baffle Days. I was a bit blown away at first to be honest, nobody has touched this space in years, and then we both get on it at the same time. It kind of reminds me of how in Hollywood, two movies with relatively the same storyline tend to come out at the same time. I was a little disappointed, as I was hoping to be first and essentially have, as my marketing wife calls it 'a blue ocean' top operate in. I reached out to Tom, with a note, letting him know I am deep into the process of doing the same thing, and already have equipment and interviews lined up, and had actually been hoping to interview him. I just wanted to reach out now, rather than just post my first podcast in the early New Year after he has just announced he is doing the same thing. He was really cool about it all, noting that he thinks the more the better with these things, that there is more than enough Aussie ear-time, and that he would be stoked to listen to an interview with Kim Carrigan. I was glad that we wouldn't have a contentious relationship off the bat.
On the plus side, I'm even more motivated do a great job with this one now.
Yesterday I did my pre-interview catch up with Kim Carrigan, we discussed the questions and any glaring omissions. In passing, he mentioned that he almost onsighted the Stigma at Cookie Cliffs in Yosemite, falling off the last move. That's the Todd Skinner route that now goes at 5.13b/c. Additionally, he has some interesting philosophies that he wants to share and discuss.
What I took away from the pre-call, is that I think I have way too many questions if this is going to be less than an hour and a half. Also, I think that the discussions around climbing issues that everyone can relate to, is a bit more interesting than a play by play of his ascents, and the only reason to discuss an ascent is if it has a bigger story behind it.
Interview him tomorrow, getting stoked. Really appreciate all the support here.
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Post by MarkAnderson on Dec 17, 2018 17:47:14 GMT -7
What I took away from the pre-call, is that I think I have way too many questions if this is going to be less than an hour and a half. Also, I think that the discussions around climbing issues that everyone can relate to, is a bit more interesting than a play by play of his ascents, and the only reason to discuss an ascent is if it has a bigger story behind it. Interview him tomorrow, getting stoked. Really appreciate all the support here. Totally agree with both points!
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Post by Chris W on Dec 17, 2018 18:55:26 GMT -7
Let us know how it goes. I'll listen to it when you get it posted and give you my feedback.
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Post by rockmoose on Dec 17, 2018 19:23:36 GMT -7
Thanks for the advice and for the question tips - I'm adopting that into my questions. It's been an interesting 24 hours. Yesterday morning I was trawling through instagram and found a post by a top Australian climber, that he and his wife are starting a - new to Australia - Rockclimbing podcast called Baffle Days. I was a bit blown away at first to be honest, nobody has touched this space in years, and then we both get on it at the same time. It kind of reminds me of how in Hollywood, two movies with relatively the same storyline tend to come out at the same time. I was a little disappointed, as I was hoping to be first and essentially have, as my marketing wife calls it 'a blue ocean' top operate in. I reached out to Tom, with a note, letting him know I am deep into the process of doing the same thing, and already have equipment and interviews lined up, and had actually been hoping to interview him. I just wanted to reach out now, rather than just post my first podcast in the early New Year after he has just announced he is doing the same thing. He was really cool about it all, noting that he thinks the more the better with these things, that there is more than enough Aussie ear-time, and that he would be stoked to listen to an interview with Kim Carrigan. I was glad that we wouldn't have a contentious relationship off the bat. On the plus side, I'm even more motivated do a great job with this one now. Yesterday I did my pre-interview catch up with Kim Carrigan, we discussed the questions and any glaring omissions. In passing, he mentioned that he almost onsighted the Stigma at Cookie Cliffs in Yosemite, falling off the last move. That's the Todd Skinner route that now goes at 5.13b/c. Additionally, he has some interesting philosophies that he wants to share and discuss. What I took away from the pre-call, is that I think I have way too many questions if this is going to be less than an hour and a half. Also, I think that the discussions around climbing issues that everyone can relate to, is a bit more interesting than a play by play of his ascents, and the only reason to discuss an ascent is if it has a bigger story behind it. Interview him tomorrow, getting stoked. Really appreciate all the support here. I think you're just going to have to whoop Tom's lilly white arse in Ninja Warrior, to show him who's boss. With Kim, why not lock him in for hours, get as much as you can, and edit it down after? Then allow us interested parties to delve into the full 6 hour extravaganza?
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Post by jetjackson on Dec 17, 2018 20:01:05 GMT -7
Thanks for the advice and for the question tips - I'm adopting that into my questions. It's been an interesting 24 hours. Yesterday morning I was trawling through instagram and found a post by a top Australian climber, that he and his wife are starting a - new to Australia - Rockclimbing podcast called Baffle Days. I was a bit blown away at first to be honest, nobody has touched this space in years, and then we both get on it at the same time. It kind of reminds me of how in Hollywood, two movies with relatively the same storyline tend to come out at the same time. I was a little disappointed, as I was hoping to be first and essentially have, as my marketing wife calls it 'a blue ocean' top operate in. I reached out to Tom, with a note, letting him know I am deep into the process of doing the same thing, and already have equipment and interviews lined up, and had actually been hoping to interview him. I just wanted to reach out now, rather than just post my first podcast in the early New Year after he has just announced he is doing the same thing. He was really cool about it all, noting that he thinks the more the better with these things, that there is more than enough Aussie ear-time, and that he would be stoked to listen to an interview with Kim Carrigan. I was glad that we wouldn't have a contentious relationship off the bat. On the plus side, I'm even more motivated do a great job with this one now. Yesterday I did my pre-interview catch up with Kim Carrigan, we discussed the questions and any glaring omissions. In passing, he mentioned that he almost onsighted the Stigma at Cookie Cliffs in Yosemite, falling off the last move. That's the Todd Skinner route that now goes at 5.13b/c. Additionally, he has some interesting philosophies that he wants to share and discuss. What I took away from the pre-call, is that I think I have way too many questions if this is going to be less than an hour and a half. Also, I think that the discussions around climbing issues that everyone can relate to, is a bit more interesting than a play by play of his ascents, and the only reason to discuss an ascent is if it has a bigger story behind it. Interview him tomorrow, getting stoked. Really appreciate all the support here. I think you're just going to have to whoop Tom's lilly white arse in Ninja Warrior, to show him who's boss. With Kim, why not lock him in for hours, get as much as you can, and edit it down after? Then allow us interested parties to delve into the full 6 hour extravaganza? Heh heh, look I have zero resentment for Tom - I was almost disappointed for both of us - I'm sure he would have also felt a little disappointed that the Aussie climbing podcast space wasn't going to be a green field for the first few months of their roll out at least. They would have puts heaps of work into it, as have I. Also, I would have no chance at whooping him at Ninja Warrior. Also, he's not going in it this year. I had the option to choose free tickets to Ninja Warrior this year, actually shot Tom a note a few months ago asking him what heat he was in so we could go and support him. I think I could record 6 hours to be honest... Kim is currently laid up after having an ankle repair, and is happy to chat. However, editing down is not as simple as you would think - I have a fair bit of experience editing down for my Youtube videos and other things, and it can be tricky to maintain the flow of something, especially as it's not that natural for us to all take pauses straight after finishing a complete sentence/idea - and so it can be difficult to find a cut point. Also, I've agreed with Kim that I'll edit it down and then send to him for review before I publish - part of promises I'm making to people to encourage them to come on the podcast, but still have a feel they have a level of control over what is put out to the public, and to give them confidence that I'm not going to just shamelessly edit their words to misappropriate what they have said.
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Post by jetjackson on Dec 19, 2018 23:43:28 GMT -7
Ok guys, so I met with Kim today - awesome time. Spent 2 hours recording, and then after we just sat around and chatted for another hour. I might need to do a second one with him sometime, to touch on all the stuff I couldn't get, and I'm going to really need to edit it down. One thing I learnt, was that Kim would just move from one subject onto the next without my prompting - that meant he moved around faster than I could keep up and then he would finish what he was saying, and I'd be kind of stumped... half because I was engrossed in what he was saying and so I didn't 'think of what to say next', and the other half was that he was already covering the things I was going to. The interesting thing was that in all my research, I had this idea that he was a bit of a jock that found climbing, but quite the contrary, he's always seen himself as an outsider - which makes sense as to why he had no qualms about challenging the status quo approach to climbing in Australia at the time. Anyway, heaps of editing for me to do over Christmas.
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Post by rockmoose on Dec 19, 2018 23:52:32 GMT -7
Sounds like a blast. I was already looking forward to hearing the result, but you make it sound so informative and free flowing, I can't wait.
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Post by jetjackson on Dec 30, 2018 21:33:28 GMT -7
It's up! thelayback.home.blog/I'd be keen to hear your thoughts and feedback - how I can improve etc. - Whilst I'm targeting Australian climbers, there is some interesting stuff in there about Yosemite. Also, you will hear a few of the questions suggested here no doubt
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Post by MarkAnderson on Dec 31, 2018 19:54:10 GMT -7
Not finished yet but so far so good!
The first thing that really caught my attention was ~35 minutes in he starts talking about how some people have a “leader” mentality and others have a “follower” mentality—throughout every aspect of their life—and to be great at climbing you have to be a leader. Not sure if he’s right but I think that describes me pretty well.
Another part earlier Jet talks about how the guidebook introduction refers to the “Carrigan Regime,” which I would take as a compliment but Kim seems to see it as a criticism (perhaps as if the author is making fun of him for caring enough to train). I find that interesting because until about 5 years ago the majority of American climbers viewed training as uncool....
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Post by jetjackson on Jan 1, 2019 3:57:18 GMT -7
Awesome! I'm glad you have enjoyed it so far - you'll have to stick it out as he answers your suggested questions in the end As for the leader/follower theory - that was one he brought up before the interview, when I asked him if I had missed anything, so he obviously thought important to discuss it. You'll may notice retrospectively that I'm somewhat trying to push the conversation so I could segue into it. That's definitely going to be an interesting discussion point, and I've had others already bring it up. Personally, I think it might have been more relevant to his time, before we were closer to the physical limit, and before there was more significant infrastructure in place for new climbers to learn - it's like his theory becomes more relevant in an aspect of life where pioneering is required, and is somewhat already relatively untouched. With the 'Carrigan Regime' I was interested to see where he would go with that - I thought we might end up in a discussion of how 'perseverance trumps talent'. I recall reading a comment of a forum 'say what you will about Kim, he put up some hard routes' - I was always curious, what do they say? I then read that comment in the guidebook, and thought that putting that to him to respond was a good way of bringing up the issue. He was criticised for training, and really just for 'taking it too seriously'. Australia does that a fair bit, we call it 'Tall Poppy Syndrome' as he refers to - we cut down the poppy's that grow up above the rest. It's very much how the 'cool kids' hang on the kids who try hard at school, but on a societal level.
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Post by Chris W on Jan 2, 2019 18:04:36 GMT -7
Great job Jet!!! Took advantage of a long drive for work and caught all but the last 15 minutes of the podcast. I thought you guys did a great job. I'm sure it's a lot of work to put out a podcast like that, but if you are putting out more I'm definitely interested in listening to them.
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Post by jetjackson on Jan 2, 2019 18:14:19 GMT -7
Great job Jet!!! Took advantage of a long drive for work and caught all but the last 15 minutes of the podcast. I thought you guys did a great job. I'm sure it's a lot of work to put out a podcast like that, but if you are putting out more I'm definitely interested in listening to them. Thanks Chris! Yes, I mean, you saw it here. Heaps of research, and lot's of consulting multiple people to get their input, find out what they want to hear about, and then listening to and implementing that feedback. I gave you a shout out at the end, but I couldn't find your surname, so apologies for calling you Chris 'Double-U'.
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