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Post by jonfrisby on Oct 16, 2018 14:49:19 GMT -7
Mini update - I ran 4 laps on an 11- at the end of my power session today (50 ft wall so I added a rep). I have no way of knowing this, but I don't think it detracted from the power work, and I don't feel any worse than if I hadn't added this. So if the stimulus is sufficient to make endurance gains, I'm up for trying this out for a bit. I hate dedicated blocks of endurance because the skill level is too low so I feel really weird coming back to trying hard
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Post by Lundy on Oct 16, 2018 18:34:14 GMT -7
So I think a key piece to clarify is that doing some low end endurance at the end of a power or HB session isn't going to take away from that power session. The questions, which need to be evaluated over a longer period of time, are (a) whether it impacts your ability to recover from your power work, making your next session less valuable, and (b) whether, because you've already trained power, you're getting anything out of the endurance part of the workout. I have tried these doubled-up sessions and while I don't stick strictly to the RCTM protocol anymore, I think this is one area (among many) where, for me and the way my body adapts, Mike and Mark are right on. Just my two cents...
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Post by MarkAnderson on Oct 17, 2018 8:42:40 GMT -7
I'm not so sure we can just say "it doesn't have an impact". There are two things to consider:
1) if endurance and power are mutually exclusive to some extent, which I'm sure they are, then it seems likely that training endurance during your power phase would detract from your power gains, however small the impact may be.
2) The "Interference Effect" is well documented and would seem to apply in this situation.
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Post by jonfrisby on Oct 17, 2018 9:25:52 GMT -7
I'm not so sure we can just say "it doesn't have an impact". There are two things to consider: 1) if endurance and power are mutually exclusive to some extent, which I'm sure they are, then it seems likely that training endurance during your power phase would detract from your power gains, however small the impact may be. 2) The "Interference Effect" is well documented and would seem to apply in this situation. Do you think a time gap between the two would help diminish the interference effect? Any idea how long a gap is necessary?
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Post by MarkAnderson on Oct 17, 2018 12:01:28 GMT -7
No idea.
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Post by mikekane on Oct 23, 2018 10:35:42 GMT -7
I'm no expert, but Horst thinks AM/PM sessions are fine for minimizing the interference effect: trainingforclimbing.com/energy-system-training/ Also, I think most (all?) of the interference effect studies compared changes in vo2 max and squat strength which might not be super-applicable to climbing training. That said, I would think any endurance training you did during a strength phase would have a negative impact on recovery, thereby decreasing strength gains. Great discussion by the way! Really enjoyed reading through this thread
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