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Post by scojo on May 9, 2017 12:33:01 GMT -7
Maybe I missed it, but do you cover up your seams/splits when you apply the dry spray? (With a narrow piece of tape for example).
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Post by ehowell on May 9, 2017 12:37:42 GMT -7
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Post by jonfrisby on May 9, 2017 12:52:34 GMT -7
I don't. I've also sprayed dry onto a paper towel and dabbed my tips with it if my seams are getting too dry/crackly
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Post by jonfrisby on May 9, 2017 12:58:47 GMT -7
Evan, that PCC podcast was the source I couldn't remember for the sanding-your-seams trick. You might also try iontopherosis. It seems that people have better elasticity with that than going the methenamine track
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Post by ehowell on May 9, 2017 14:10:54 GMT -7
You might also try iontopherosis. That's next level for sure! |
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Post by jcm on May 9, 2017 17:27:32 GMT -7
My program lately is iontophoresis once per week and antihydril once per week. This seems to get my skin to a nice level of dryness without using either method enough to run into negative effects. The iontophoresis is for whole hand dryness (prevents sweaty palms), while antihydril hardens the tips.
Okeefes working hands as needed to prevent excess drying. Plus climb on and tape if any cracks start to form.
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Post by MarkAnderson on May 9, 2017 19:28:37 GMT -7
Evan,
Check Jstar's Training Beta podcast from September-ish. He talks about splinting his fingers to deal with splits between pads. You might consider experimenting with something like that to stretch out your skin so its not under so much stress when crimping.
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Post by Chris W on May 10, 2017 3:30:23 GMT -7
Maybe I missed it, but do you cover up your seams/splits when you apply the dry spray? (With a narrow piece of tape for example). Scojo, 1) Your picture avatar thing freaks me out. 2) The dry spray comes in a roll on applicator. I used that some this winter to just apply the dry treatment to the palmar side of my fingers and hand to keep the dorsum from drying out too much. |
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Post by aikibujin on May 10, 2017 5:48:11 GMT -7
It sounds like some of you apply the Rhino Dry Spray for a specific length of time before washing your hands, was that stated somewhere in the instructions? I must have missed it completely. I've tried the Dry Spray last year as well (before going down the path of mildly electrocuting myself...), but I noticed no effect. What I did was spray it on my right hand only, tried to rub it in as much as I can with just one hand, then I go about my business. I figured it dries so quickly I didn't bother timing how long I left it on before I washed my hands, so that may have been an issue. I did that every 4 days for about two weeks, and noticed no effect.
I did try Rhino pretty early, so maybe they improved their formula? My Dry Spray did not come with a roll-on applicator.
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Post by ehowell on May 10, 2017 5:57:06 GMT -7
It sounds like some of you apply the Rhino Dry Spray for a specific length of time before washing your hands, was that stated somewhere in the instructions? I must have missed it completely. I've tried the Dry Spray last year as well (before going down the path of mildly electrocuting myself...), but I noticed no effect. What I did was spray it on my right hand only, tried to rub it in as much as I can with just one hand, then I go about my business. I figured it dries so quickly I didn't bother timing how long I left it on before I washed my hands, so that may have been an issue. I did that every 4 days for about two weeks, and noticed no effect. I did try Rhino pretty early, so maybe they improved their formula? My Dry Spray did not come with a roll-on applicator. I generally have tried to spray it on (don't have the roller) when I don't think I'll wash my hands soon. I too notice little effect from this, so the effectiveness could just vary based on skin complexion. Some people find it too aggressive, so go figure. I've found it works best for me as a "touch-up" to the Tip Juice, but I also fear it increases the chance of getting split seams, unless you just apply around your pads (haven't tried that yet). Anyway, thanks for the input everyone -- didn't mean to derail the discussion. All in all, I think Rhino has some very useful products and they're definitely more user-friendly and less mysterious than Antihydral. |
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Post by Chris W on May 10, 2017 17:31:55 GMT -7
I don't wash the dry spray off of my hands. I was putting it on before bed and letting it dry on there. I had a few days where I put it on while driving to the crag, but I didn't notice any pro's or con's to it.
Aikibujin, I experimented with using the dry spray every 4 days as well as every 3 days and, once or twice, every 2 days. I certainly noticed a big difference using it every 3 days vs every 4 days, because my hands were much drier. If I were using it when it was very warm out, I'd probably use it every 3 days. I don't think their formula has changed; not too many ingredients in the dry spray.
Also, if you want it with a roll on applicator, I believe you have to order that separately. They sell it in a small bottle with a roller. You can always refill that bottle if you need to.
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Post by ryanmcd on Jun 15, 2017 2:11:15 GMT -7
I've been using the Rhino Dry spray during skin-intensive phases once a week. Like Chris W, I put it on before bed (spray palms and rub around.) I find it really shows results two days (36 hrs) after application, and these last about 3 days. I am planning to use it every 4 or 5 days during next performance phase. Nobody has mentioned the Rhino Performance cream, which has 4% methenamine, half that of Dry. Three days before a climbing trip, I will apply Dry and start using Performance every night. The Performance helps build supple, thick skin. During climbing trips, I apply Repair right after climbing and, if particularly raw, again an hour or two later. Then I apply Performance before bed (need to experiment with applying right when I wake up). The combination seems to work like this: Dry dries out the skin and helps me sweat less; Repair restores the good skin and helps it recover faster; the daily application of Performance cream is what builds skin thickness and resilience.
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Post by Chris W on Jul 29, 2017 7:12:10 GMT -7
So...
I tried using the Rhino Dry Spray during my summer transitional hangboard season and found that, while in my air conditioned hangboard bubble, it left my skin feeling just a little too dry, so I've decided not to use it during any hangboard seasons.
I finished my ARC phase for my fall season several days ago, and I DID use the Dry Spray. ARCing for the fall season is typically pretty brutal, with high heat and humidity. I usually end up totally soaked with sweat and drip a puddle onto the floor underneath the wall. Normally, I tear huge bloody flappers during this phase. I used the Rhino this season and, though my hands did still sweat quite a bit, I felt like the rhino helped prevent any major skin tears. Granted, I'm also stronger, was thrutching less, and paid extra attention to my skin, but still...
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Post by ehowell on Jul 31, 2017 9:17:03 GMT -7
I'll update on my end as well. I've actually had a big breakthrough on my skin issues since I discussed my problems above. Between what was mentioned on this thread, the one over at MP, and the podcasts discussions by Justin at Rhino, I started being very deliberate on my skincare. Here's what I've been doing, and for the record, my skin is quite sweaty.
1. Apply dry spray at night (not washing off) about every 2-3 days. I don't do this when hangboarding, as a year ago I applied Antihydral before a HB phase and had miserable results. Dry skin isn't nearly as compatible with plastic as it is for rock. Another thing on Dry Spray: I used to apply it during the day, leaving it on only for maybe 20 minutes to an hour or so. Leaving it on overnight gives me great dryness in about 24-48 hours.
2. Applying Repair Cream or Working Hands to creases only each night at bed. I used to use Working Hands every night, rubbing all over my hands. This probably made my wet hand condition even worse. I decided to use a Qtip and apply only to the creases, to keep them pliable. I haven't had a tear all season (except one, on a sharp hold and unrelated to previous issues). This is huge for me -- I used to have ripped creases all season long, starting with the strength phase!
3. Apply Repear Cream or Working Hands to entire hand after hard climbing session. If my skin is wrecked, I'm not going to dry it out. I'm going to help it heal. This is done only after a particularly hard session in the gym or on rock.
4.I sand ONLY the creases each and every day. I used to only sand the tips, but with wet and thin skin, I probably wasn't doing myself any favors. As Justin discusses in the podcasts, I agree that the sanding has increased the strength of the seams and keeps them free of snags.
5. I'm going to start using their Performance Cream on outdoor days. I just ordered my first bottle, so I don't have experience with it yet.
Overall, I've had some of the best skin in my entire climbing career, and across the hottest months of the year! This is really a game changer for me, as I've become accustomed to years of buttery fingers and split seams, climbing with tape on 4 out of 10 fingers almost always.
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Post by Chris W on Aug 1, 2017 5:01:40 GMT -7
Wait, you're actually sanding the creases? And this has prevented tears there? We must have different types of skin; I never have problems in the creases. Can you explain this a bit more, and why sanding this has helped?
I've been sanding just proximal to all the creases to try to file down the big callouses and prevent them from ripping off and creating big flappers.
I had bad results sanding my finger pads, because I felt it made them feel a little too slick. I do have issues with minor splits at the very tips of each thumb by the distal end of the nail. These correspond with scars in this area from childhood pocked knife wounds. I'm wondering if sanding these areas would prevent the splits.
How do you think the repair cream compares to the Working Hands? I'll be interested to hear what you think of the performance cream.
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