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Post by firebug on Apr 23, 2017 1:39:20 GMT -7
D. Austin, we have humid salty air seven months out of the year. The support beams will not be stainless so we will paint them with an anticorrosive primer then a finishing coat. I use a paint called Fast Dry. Here is a link to its technical description. www.gruposur.com/download/hojas_tecnicas/ht-507-10000-000.pdf It´s in Spanish, but it is primarily used as a finishing coat for heavy machinery. I´m sure you can find something similar at HomeDepot. A friend with a self storage business is letting us use his compound to build the wall. We may build a zinc lamina roof over the wall by extending off an existing roof of one of the buildings. It depends on the site. I will post our design and photos of construction once the holds, and my contractor climbing partner, arrive back in CR on May 1. ClimbnKev, thanks for the photos of your wall. Nice job. I´m curious about the adjustable mechanism. As this is our only wall in our area for the time being, it´s important that we are able to adjust it. I am worried about stability, but my builder friend says we will use locking pins at the different angles to keep it in place. Rain will be an issue for us. We are looking for an indoor home for the wall, but until that happens, we will have to make due. It will be an interesting project for sure. I plan to give the Ian Powell article a read. We will start with the set I posted above, but I have trips planed later in 2017 to the US and Europe so that is two chances to add to the wall with a little more knowledge and first hand experience.
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Post by aikibujin on Apr 29, 2017 11:09:52 GMT -7
Hi Guys, Sounds like there is some interest in adjustable angle outdoor woodies so I thought I would share a few pics of mine. Drooooooool... if only I have that wall at home!
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Post by suprcrmpr on May 2, 2017 1:31:02 GMT -7
Hi Guys, Sounds like there is some interest in adjustable angle outdoor woodies so I thought I would share a few pics of mine. It's 12x12 semi-freestanding ( attached to the stub wall but no penetration of the vinyl roof membrane of my garage/shop roof.) It pivots off a central point to easily allow me to adjust from 15 to 40 degrees. Things I would do differently: It would be a better design if the support posts were anchored in concrete so they could be vertical and not extend out in front of the wall. I have some padding I will be addingto them but a sideways winger could hurt. I flashed the top of the wall but it would be better with a small roof section that kept water off the top-out jugs. I have built a bubble that let me paint and set the wall even during a snow storm, but because the wall changes angle it's tough to get the bubble to adjust too. I can't share my adjustable mechanism but if you google adjustable moonboard you should be able to track down similar design ideas. Best of luck on your new wall! What did you use for hinges? Got any pictures, drawings og links to websites? I'm thinking of making a woody that hinges at the top - attached to the roof trusses, so I can winch/lift it and lock it at roof level to allow for space for my car.
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Post by MarkAnderson on May 2, 2017 8:51:45 GMT -7
Kevin, your wall looks beautiful! We should have a christening party!
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Post by climbnkev on May 2, 2017 12:21:39 GMT -7
What did you use for hinges? Got any pictures, drawings og links to websites? I'm thinking of making a woody that hinges at the top - attached to the roof trusses, so I can winch/lift it and lock it at roof level to allow for space for my car. The wall pivots on a bolt assembly. I am considering marketing the plans and/or trying to come up with a replicate-able system to possibly market the whole wall build so I don't want to go into too much detail. The design is based on This adjustable Moonboard by Mr. B. Mr. B's Woodie. His design was based on These plans. Mark gave me the idea to look at this as a possibility and I took it from there. As for your specific design, depending on the size of your car you may be better served just building your wall with a taller than average kickboard, which should let you park a midsized car in a garage with the wall fixed. If not you can consider a design like This top adjustable wall. Or use heavy duty commercial hinges mounted to a 4x4 that was bolted to your ceiling joists. Mark, I was just waiting for the Moonholds to arrive before inviting people over. Hoping for Mid May as they were oversold on their last batch and not scheduled to send out the next batch for another week.
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Post by suprcrmpr on May 4, 2017 3:33:29 GMT -7
many thanks for the links! My garage is pretty tiny, and we need a new bigger car. Hopefully the car won't fit and it'll be just a bouldering gym
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Post by firebug on Jun 11, 2017 22:39:14 GMT -7
Hey Firebug -- I'm curious about your plans for the wall and have some questions if you don't mind. Will also be interested to see your design plans or photos of the wall as it goes up! You mention you're in Costa Rica, and also that you're using stainless hardware. Will this be an outdoor wall? I'm guessing that it's a relatively marine climate with lots of damp, salty air? I live in the SF Bay Area in CA in an area with tons of damp, salty air, and I'm starting to think about plans for an outdoor home wall. Anything else you're doing in particular to weather proof the wall? </attachment>I would like to upd</attachment>ate the group on progress and ask for advice going forward. Attached is a file of photos of the site I acquired. I have also attached a sketch of the dimensions of the place (10 meters x 7 meters). Our first step is to raise the roof about 1.3 meters. We plan for the wall to be 12ft. tall throughout. I would like to have 4 panels for endurance / ARC training. That will lead into the corner, which we plan to close as in this Metolius plan: www.metoliusclimbing.com/pdf/How-to-Build-a-Home-Bouldering-Wall.pdf The wall will then transition into a steeper power / limit bouldering wall with a short roof section. You may recall from my earlier post that I purchased 110 eGrips holds to get started when the plan was a Moon Board size project. My friend and climbing partner / contractor has since come on board so my budget has doubled and my building costs have dropped considerably. So we will need more holds. Keeping in ind that we are both beginner climbers, here are by questions for the group: 1. For the ARC / Endurance section of the wall (4 panels - 16 feet) what angle do you recommend. My partner suggest two panels at vertical increasing to 5 to 10 degrees. I fear we would quickly get board with that and instead make one vertical panel (our kids and their friends will also be using the wall) that gradually increases to 20 degrees. Any thoughts on this appreciated and whether we should consider any other features, like bulges or forms or rather keep it clean to travers in peace. 2. The corner. What to do with it? Do we flatten it out like in the Metolius link to create more climbing area or leave it as a dihedral? Other ideas? 3. The power section. How wide should we make it? We have 10 meters from the corner of covered space, but costs will likely limit us to an additional 4 panels. What angle do you suggest. Honestly, 40 degrees is beyond our ability at the moment and we could only stay on it for a short time. Is 30 degrees a reasonable number and should it be a straight incline to a roof or would it be more interesting with grade changes. As always, thank you for the help and suggestions. Climbing Wall Design.pdf (159.77 KB)
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Post by climbnkev on Jun 12, 2017 21:00:17 GMT -7
Looks like a nice big space, though raising the roof might be problematic. As to your question, I would consider going a different route completely. I would place my less steep wall along the house and the steeper wall opposite to it anchored to the caissons. This way you have two uniform walls so you don't have to taper one to match your roof pitch. Steeper wall on the outside because you get more height from a steeper wall and that side needs to be lower for drainage. You will get a lot more climbing space because you do not need to stop the walls at their intersection and you can build an entire 20' wall in the time it takes to make a single corner transition.
If you guys are mostly beginners I would build a 15 and 30 degree wall and skip the Moonboard completely. Looks like a fun project, post up pics of the progress and any other questions.
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Post by firebug on Jun 13, 2017 23:20:20 GMT -7
ClimbnKev,
Sorry, but I do not understand your advice. What is a Caisson? I´m interested to understand what you are proposing. Can you elaborate?
The roof will be raised at least a meter, probably closer to 4 ft. That should start tomorrow.
We have ditched the moon board plan and instead plan to have one side run from vertical to 20 degrees incline. The other wall with be a straight 30 degree incline and the two will be joined by a transition.
JR
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Post by climbnkev on Jun 14, 2017 20:38:47 GMT -7
The Caisson is the concrete pier that your posts rest on. My advice would be to have one wall facing away from the building the other facing in towards it. I've built over a dozen walls that meet at a corner and basically refuse to do them anymore because the transition framing takes a bunch of time and climbing inside corners on plastic in my opinion is a waste of time. What you end up with is a compromise on both walls.
How are you going to deal with water drainage from the building with your shed roof raised above the structure roof? Attachment could also be problematic. Best of luck on your building adventure.
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Post by firebug on Jun 14, 2017 21:59:43 GMT -7
Drainage: I have not been on the rood yet, but I understand it has its own drainage system in place. I expect we will add a sheet of zinc lamina to extend a bit over the roof of the building and water will drain toward the non-building side.
My partner (builder) told me that we are galvanized beams will primarily be supported by concrete footings, but we will also bolt them to the building for extra support.
Interesting thoughts on the corner section. I do worry about the 30 degree wall invading the fall zone of the other wall. I´ll need to verify this with my partner.
So far, crash pads are the hardest item for us to source. They are even more expensive here than in the US. We can likely have them made, but sourcing the closed cell foam and quality material will be a challenge.
I´ll post some photos once the roof is raised.
JR
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Post by firebug on Jul 19, 2017 8:01:10 GMT -7
I´ve attached three photos of the completed wall. I have 47 holds of the 110 I purchased from eGrips. The post limited me to three photos. I will try to attach some photos of the framing from the back. So far, I´m pretty happy with it. I have a trip to the States plan in August and will pick up more grips. My new questions are: 1. We have created 3 volumes. Any advice on where to locate the volumes? General principals? Most gyms seem to have them on overhanging walls, but I can seem to find any advice on their location. 2. Matts. I have read posts on this blog of people who have sourced scrap foam and made mats out of it. There are foam suppliers here in Costa Rica. Is there are type of foam I should be looking for? Professional flooring seems to be a mix of open and closed cell foam. Are there any posts that go into the preferred types of foam to use?
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Post by climbnkev on Jul 19, 2017 19:29:56 GMT -7
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