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Post by erick on Mar 26, 2018 7:05:09 GMT -7
What criteria would you include? I think this is almost a more interesting question to me. Everyones lives and values are so different I always wonder why some people love some places that others seem to hate. My criteria generally listed in order of importance are -small to mid sized town with 80k people or less. I don't want to live in a major metropolitan area, nor do I ever want to live in a suburb again -close proximity to really good climbing. Like 1.5 hours away or less so its easy to get to on a weekend -affordable, my wife and I don't have family money or anything. If we spend all the money we make on surviving we will not really enjoy life -decent local climbing for after work action -Good work, Ive thought about this a lot and at this point in my life I would rather live in a crappier place with a good well paying job than work a shitty job in an awesome area -variety of other actives, I really enjoy mountain biking during the summer/fall -town culture, not climbing specific Depending on the situation some of these can move around. Lander is a good example, it ticks all the boxes but I am not sure if I would be able to find work and it has fantastic local climbing but not much else near unless your willing to drive 3 hours. But there is enough amazing local stuff that I would be ok with it if I could find a halfway decent job.
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Post by MarkAnderson on Mar 26, 2018 12:21:32 GMT -7
I’m always surprised to hear Lander on these lists. Don’t get me wrong, I love many things about it, it’s a great vacation destination, it’s just really hard to imagine living there. The landscape is to bleak for me, and while there are countless crags, the climbing moving is very repetitive. Thinking about it more, believe it or not, I think a lot of it just comes down to a major lack of shade! I just can’t handle that much high altitude sun. Plus it’s super isolated. Eventually you will run out of stuff to do locally, then what do you do?
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Post by jetjackson on Mar 26, 2018 15:10:35 GMT -7
What criteria would you include? I think this is almost a more interesting question to me. Everyones lives and values are so different I always wonder why some people love some places that others seem to hate. My criteria generally listed in order of importance are -small to mid sized town with 80k people or less. I don't want to live in a major metropolitan area, nor do I ever want to live in a suburb again -close proximity to really good climbing. Like 1.5 hours away or less so its easy to get to on a weekend -affordable, my wife and I don't have family money or anything. If we spend all the money we make on surviving we will not really enjoy life -decent local climbing for after work action -Good work, Ive thought about this a lot and at this point in my life I would rather live in a crappier place with a good well paying job than work a shitty job in an awesome area -variety of other actives, I really enjoy mountain biking during the summer/fall -town culture, not climbing specific Depending on the situation some of these can move around. Lander is a good example, it ticks all the boxes but I am not sure if I would be able to find work and it has fantastic local climbing but not much else near unless your willing to drive 3 hours. But there is enough amazing local stuff that I would be ok with it if I could find a halfway decent job. Thanks this is perfect. I was thinking with the spreadsheet that I could have people select employment status and education level, and then weight things like GDP per capita, minimum wage, and unemployment accordingly. I would also cover off on living costs, and things like town size.
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Post by MarkAnderson on Mar 26, 2018 17:16:44 GMT -7
Are you planning to share this with others? Man, if I pinpointed the ideal climbing location I wouldn't tell anyone except the bare minimum number of belay partners!
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Post by Chris W on Mar 26, 2018 17:28:28 GMT -7
I’m always surprised to hear Lander on these lists. Don’t get me wrong, I love many things about it, it’s a great vacation destination, it’s just really hard to imagine living there. The landscape is to bleak for me, and while there are countless crags, the climbing moving is very repetitive. Thinking about it more, believe it or not, I think a lot of it just comes down to a major lack of shade! I just can’t handle that much high altitude sun. Plus it’s super isolated. Eventually you will run out of stuff to do locally, then what do you do? All of this makes me want to check out Lander even more, and also makes me even more convinced my wife would never go for it.
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Post by jetjackson on Mar 26, 2018 22:44:56 GMT -7
Here is my initial thinking for this calculator that spits out city rankings based on preferences;
Style Preferences (Must Sum to 100) Sport climbing access Trad climbing access Bouldering access
Style Preferences (Must Sum to 100) Single Pitch Multi Pitch Big Wall
Importance of Proximity (Must Sum to 100) Day trip 2-3 Day Trip Extended trip requiring flight or day long roadtrip
How often do you fly internationally for climbing trips?
Do you have a rock type fetish? Sandstone Limestone Granite Basalt Quartzite If you must have variety input 100 here > No Preference
Enter 100 in the column that best desribes you Unskilled work White Collar Professional Blue Collar Retired Digital Nomad - can work anywhere
What non-climbing activities are important to you? Outdoor activities - Hiking/Mountain Biking Winter Sports - Skiing/Snowboarding Culture - Arts/Festivals/Cinema etc. Restaurants - Variety and Quality Beach and Surf / Water Sports
What is your preference for city size? Global City Large City Medium Size City Small City / Town
Non-selectable parameters that would also be weighted based on livability and preferences above on employment.
Climbing Days Per Year Climbing Days Per Year Population City Livability Index Unemployment Rate GDP Per capita Cost of Living Index Minimum Wage
The idea wouldn't be for this to be 100% perfect, but give the user an indication of places they might like, which could be worthy of future research.
Thinking Mountain Project and thecrag for source data around climbing. Would use that CIA factbook for some of the other data, and try to stick to the same source for COL data and possibly try to use a livability index - there seem to be a few of them around.
I'll input all that data into the spreadsheet and use some sumproduct functions and other things to weight the criteria based on the users preferences and give each city a ranking out of 100.
What other criteria could I be including? Maybe number of climbing gyms in the city?
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Post by tsh on Mar 27, 2018 9:15:25 GMT -7
On "Importance of Proximity" I think Evening/After-Work Trip would be important to a lot of people
A few other criteria could be Language, Air Quality, High vs. Low Elevation might be important to some.
As a family man/climber I am very happy living in Salt Lake City but my wife wants to move somewhere warm with surfing. I'd be curious to see what your spreadsheet comes up with in that regard.
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Post by MarkAnderson on Mar 27, 2018 9:19:36 GMT -7
South Africa!
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Post by tsh on Mar 27, 2018 9:39:37 GMT -7
Seriously, Cape Town is at the top of my list. She's concerned about the higher violence though. Her preference is somewhere in New Zealand or Australia, but I've heard it's not easy to get in to either of those.
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Post by climber511 on Mar 27, 2018 10:46:28 GMT -7
I am a moderate level climber but really enjoyed Kalymnos. Probably not a place to live at all but a great place to visit.
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Post by jrblack on Mar 27, 2018 10:50:17 GMT -7
What about Thailand? I lived there back in 1999 and it's cheap, good food, friendly people.
But I didn't climb so I don't know what the areas are like.
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Post by RobF on Mar 27, 2018 11:48:25 GMT -7
Had an interesting conversation about this on a long drive at the weekend. Difficult one- didn't come to any conclusions as there's so many choices with pros and cons for each. My initial thoughts are southern Germany but may be bias with a couple excellent trips to Frankenjura. Kalymnos is great too but more of a holiday destination than a place to live. Ideally would like somewhere near to good skiing as well as climbing (inc bouldering/ routes / non epic alpine)...
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